A warning

[pied]

Another set of random thoughts.

The Christian church has one theology (more or less) for ~1,500 years. There was an eastern (Orthodox) and Western (Catholic) side but pretty much the same basic thought.

Then you have Luther /Henry the 8th come along and there were a few differences for some time but not until the last ~150 years where we’ve had a TON of people start to say that for the that the Catholics and Orthodox had it all wrong, some saying they have it all wrong and none could get into heaven. To me, that’s the high point of arrogance speaking to my earlier point.

Another thing that comes to mind is the Global nature of the church.

There are ~2.4 Billion Christians on the planet. Of those ~1.2 Billion are Catholic.

Of the 2.4 BILLION Christians on the planet, 230 million love in the United States. That means that the US makes up ~10% of the world’s Christian faith. Yet there are MANY Christians that seem to think we have a leg up on the rest of the world when we make up a little less than 10% of the numbers and have only been around for about that same amount of time. Wayyyy less than that if you consider the Jewish origins.

We certainly need to keep studying and try our best, but there’s a big history to draw on.

[Supreme Commander]

Sure it is. But it might be in a million years. Or a billion. Or a hundred. Kinda like we are all dying, but it may take several decades.

Seven years according to OP.

[slcdragonfan]

Seven years according to OP.

I'll give him credit if it happens. If I'm still here.

[lonny23]

That was the most TL: DNR post ever.

The logic of 6,000 years is a guess. Many, maybe most of the predictions throughout history have been based on the 6,000 years theory and attempting to calculate that time frame.

In my lifetime, most predictions have been based upon years since Israel became a nation. People have tried to guess how long a generation lasts and my research says there is no set time. People used to say 40 years. Some say 70 or 80 years. Some have said 50. Some say it's like 32 years from when a person is born until they have kids.

The Holy Spirit showed me the 6000 years. I never heard anyone say it until the last few years. I think there are people who have locked in on that in the past, but I wasn't aware of them.

I think I said some have mentioned that Adam was created in 5000 BC, but most people in my lifetime have said around 4000. Bible scholars should've seen how Abraham was 2000 years later and pretty much everyone should've seen how Jesus was 4000 years later. The Holy Spirit showed me the last days was the last 2000 years, but I didn't see that until the last few years and after i expected the end time stuff to be now.

The issue with interpreting Bible prophecy is you have to piece together the clues in various places. It's not all about Daniel or Revelation. There are things in other prophecy books and clues in other places.

I'm not a full-time minister and I didn't catch this stuff in the past that I'm talking about now.

[lonny23]

A few thoughts. Maybe more than a few.

First that comes to mind is a reflection on the time that Goad and the word has been studied. I say that, because it reminds me of what one of my Pastors used to say during one of his studies as class would end, ~”we’ve been talking about it for 2,000+ years and it’s not something that will be solved tonight”. What I learned is that there have been brilliant men of faith for a LONG time. There’s very little that is “new” in discussing and studying God and Jesus and the faith that has developed.

As Super B pointed out, there have been a MYRIAD of end times predicted and each time those times came and went. The end times were originally thought to be coming in the days after Christ died. Each time the people pointed out current day activities, natural disasters, disease, war, decline of morals, etc as evidence. There has NEVER been a shortage of those, in fact we are probably at an all time low.

It seems arrogant to think that a person finally figured the date out. It also strikes me as a little self centered to think ~”all of this was about the time that I’m alive”.

Another thought, the best reason for evangelism is that if you KNEW someone would be doomed to hell (whatever definition) or live with God eternally, you’d do whatever you can to preach the Good News.

What I see from most end of world discussion is more elitism and exclusionary discussion than inclusion.

That doesn’t ring true to me and what I know about Jesus Christ and God.

I'm saying this because I know what is about to happen. I'm fighting spiritual warfare before it starts.

It gets rough. Some people will repent and that's the right answer.

More people will get mad at God and pastors for not warning them about what is happening. Instead of finding out what is going to happen, they'll just give up on God and all the truth in the Bible.

God told Daniel to seal the book up until the end. Now that we're in the end, we can know these things.

God warns us in advance many times for what we'll go through. We fight smaller battles so we can win bigger battles. I expected it to be rough before the Great Tribulation and God was preparing me for rough times. It was only later that I learned I would be living in the Great Tribulation due to better understanding what the Bible says. I couldn't live through these times without God. I know a LOT about man's evil plans. I haven't even talked about all the various prophecies for what happens in the US and during the tribulation. It's a lot of destruction. There are a lot of weird and crazy things out there that are said to be coming our way soon. God is using me as a watchman. He will hold me accountable if I don't warn others.

The good news isn't this garbage people talk about in church these days. It's not the "Tickling their ears" and telling them what they want to hear Gospel. It's focusing on our spiritual eternity and destiny moreso than our physical existence. It's about God's forgiveness and blessings in eternity, but it requires our love and obedience to Him. It's preparing to be warriors for God. In these times, it's preparing our hearts to love Jesus even until death. We have to prepare to be a martyr. I've spent the last 5 hours talking about how Joel was a warning to the Jews from 2700 years ago and is still a warning now.

Many have heard that Jesus loves us and died for us. Not as many have heard that we need to repent and turn from our sinful ways. My warning was to say that we need to prepare for what we haven't heard to this point. The good news is we'll spend eternity with God if we commit our lives to Jesus. We have to trust him in these perilous times. We can't overcome Satan and his wicked schemes without standing on the blood of Jesus. Earlier in tis thread, I said you better be able to call on the name of Jesus when you see these zombie, Nephilim, part human, demon and/or mixed with animal creatures coming our way. People have had dreams and/or visions where you can hardly kill them.

Here's God's inclusion. Joel told Judah to repent and what would come. They didn't repent and Assyria attacked them but didn't take Jerusalem. They still didn't repent and went into captivity in Babylon. They still didn't repent, and the temple was destroyed. They were allowed to rebuild the temple and they didn't repent. Antiochus Epiphanes desecrated the temple and that's why Hannukah is celebrated today after they fixed things. They didn't repent. Jesus gave them the good news, they didn't listen, and they took it to the next level and killed him. The apostles preached the good news, and they didn't repent. The temple was destroyed in 70 AD, and they were scattered. I talked about this earlier when mentioning the Ezekiel prophecies and how they match up with today and they still didn't repent at 70. Instead of repenting after 280 years of exile in 350, they doubled down on wickedness with the stuff in the Talmud. Some of Joel has come true with the land being blessed in Israel, them getting their land back, going into Jerusalem again, and having it as their capital. They haven't repented. They are about to be scattered again for 42 months or 3 1/2 years. God will still give them another chance to repent and make Jesus their savior before the rapture and many Jews will do so. The gospel that went to the Jews that was ignored and went to the gentiles will also go back to the Jews soon.

God is not a respecter of persons. He loves Jews and gentiles alike. He wants all of us to be in close communion and relationship with him. He has given all of us many chances and much grace and wants to cleanse us of our unrighteousness. Satan lies to us that we have to do certain things to draw close to God. We're all sinners. We've all fallen short. Sin is passed down from our fathers and we're born into sin. We're born apart from God and have to accept salvation by grace to be in fellowship with him. We don't have a works-based salvation although works do show our commitment to salvation. We can't say we're saved because of who we are. Only the shed blood of Jesus can pay the debt of sin we were born into and have committed in our lifetimes. The Bibe says he's faithful and just to forgive us of all unrighteousness.

I get what you say about inclusion, but that's not what I'm doing. I hate how church is usually a club of fellowship among the saints. Jesus hung out with the sick, demonic, tax collectors, and prostitutes. He showed love to the outcasts. He hated the church crowd who had a bad attitude. Hey, I'm trying to get all you Longhorns and Aggies into heaven! On a serious note, God has always put me around the people who don't go to church. That means military, union, truck and bus drivers, homeless, places outside the Bible Belt, foreign countries, and boards like this.

[lonny23]

The world is not ending. Carry on. :P

That's true, but it is changing. It will go through a lot of destruction soon. It will be partially rebuilt. The vast majority of people walking around right now probably won't get to enjoy it. I'd love to be wrong, but the Bible doesn't seem to indicate that. God would love to be wrong because he also doesn't want any to perish.

To be clear, earth doesn't go away. The landmass of the United States won't go away in the next few years. Both will be greatly altered and won't look soon like they do now.

[lonny23]

All I understand, believe, and know from the Bible(book of life)which was written by inspired men of God from God, that an end time will come at some point,that is not specifically stated when,as men are trying to determine and state, but it's coming. All souls belong to God. The body will go back to dust from when it came, but the soul will face eternal life in heaven or eternal fire and judgment in the lake of fire burning forever. Every one(all)will give account for the life they have lived here on earth whether good or bad. False teachers,preachers, ministers,leaders, messengers,proclaiming God's word will all be accountable for their works.Jesus stated that he is the way, the truth and the life and the only way to the Father is through him. He and his Father are one. God is a Spirit and stated that they that worship him must worship him in Spirit and in truth.

All true. I take my words seriously because God will also hold me accountable for what I say here.

People have had visions of Hell and say they see many preachers there. That's true because of false teachings and also knowing the truth and neither living it themselves nor proclaiming it to others.

[lonny23]

Another set of random thoughts.

The Christian church has one theology (more or less) for ~1,500 years. There was an eastern (Orthodox) and Western (Catholic) side but pretty much the same basic thought.

Then you have Luther /Henry the 8th come along and there were a few differences for some time but not until the last ~150 years where we’ve had a TON of people start to say that for the that the Catholics and Orthodox had it all wrong, some saying they have it all wrong and none could get into heaven. To me, that’s the high point of arrogance speaking to my earlier point.

Another thing that comes to mind is the Global nature of the church.

There are ~2.4 Billion Christians on the planet. Of those ~1.2 Billion are Catholic.

Of the 2.4 BILLION Christians on the planet, 230 million love in the United States. That means that the US makes up ~10% of the world’s Christian faith. Yet there are MANY Christians that seem to think we have a leg up on the rest of the world when we make up a little less than 10% of the numbers and have only been around for about that same amount of time. Wayyyy less than that if you consider the Jewish origins.

We certainly need to keep studying and try our best, but there’s a big history to draw on.

The church has it all wrong. It almost always has.

The denominations all belong to organizations that take orders from the UN. They don't want the true Gospel.

f Satan can't get us to ignore the Bible, he tries to get us to doubt God. He perverts the Word just like in the Garden of Eden and that happens in modern church. False teachings are throughout the church.

The modern Bible translations are perverted forms of the Gospel and dilute Jesus' atoning work on the cross. The King James is better, but I won't say it's perfect. At a minimum, they fooled with things how they created chapters and verses. I suspect a few scriptures got added in to help with government control. It's our guidebook, but I'll never say again there was no way a potential William Shakespeare/Francis Bacon bible isn't distorted. The basics of what we need to know are all there.

Modern church services got their format from the Catholic church, who got it from the Greeks and pagans. Ecumenicalism didn't just start. Satan has used that trick since Adam and Eve. The Jews often added the false god practices of other nations to their worship. The early church had to fight against it. The church permanently became a separate arm of the state when Constantine convened the Council of Nicea from 320-325 or so.

Let's say the "Roll is called up yonder" right now. My money is on a lesser percentage of "Christian" Americans getting into heaven than the other areas of the world. 30% of the world say they're Christians. My guess is only 3-10% are trying to serve God right now. I'll tell you who is going to heaven. It's the people who are Christians and getting persecuted now. It's the people in poor countries who have to trust God because things are so bad. It's not the people who live in laps of luxury.

[lonny23]

Seven years according to OP.

You can pick whatever metric you want to determine the timelines of the things I said.

The bible starts off with heaven and earth, and earth is without form and void. It's there, but there isn't anything great.

We'll go back to mostly that state. The Bible gives us clues to what happens for 7000 years. It doesn't give many details about before Adam, but there was life and animals. I don't know what happens after the next 1000 years or so. Technically, I'd say earth lasts at least 1004 more years. My max expected year would be 1014 years. Earth will greatly changed soon.

The descriptions in the Bible sound scary. Many people will die in the upcoming years.

What is your definition of destroyed and I'll try to give my best guess at what point your criteria is met?

Many people will die in the upcoming years:

1. Some die because of the destruction.
2. Some die because of man's wicked plans.
3. Some die because they love Jesus and are killed.
4. There are also many that want to die and try to die and won't be able to. That's tied in with mark of the beast stuff. They'll be alive and be on earth, but they'll want to be dead and be saying the earth is destroyed even though technically it's just in a bad condition.

[lonny23]

I'll give him credit if it happens. If I'm still here.

I'm not looking for credit. I just care about you guys.

I know it's not a popular topic.

I know there will be doubt.

I'm OK with that. Some people don't believe in the Bible. Others who do believe in the Bible have been taught other than what I'm saying. The stuff I'm saying isn't what I was taught either.

[lonny23]

I'm saying things now so you can read them. The time will probably come where you won't be able to see this stuff. You'll have to pray to understand and have the Holy Spirit quicken you about stuff you either read or wisdom that he wants to impart to you if you seek his guidance.

[pied]

The church has it all wrong. It almost always has.

The denominations all belong to organizations that take orders from the UN. They don't want the true Gospel.
…

Except yours and the guys you listen to. Checks out.

The UN was established in 1945. Not even 100 years old.

[pied]

…

The good news isn't this garbage people talk about in church these days. It's not the "Tickling their ears" and telling them what they want to hear Gospel. It's focusing on our spiritual eternity and destiny moreso than our physical existence. It's about God's forgiveness and blessings in eternity, but it requires our love and obedience to Him. It's preparing to be warriors for God. In these times, it's preparing our hearts to love Jesus even until death. We have to prepare to be a martyr. I've spent the last 5 hours talking about how Joel was a warning to the Jews from 2700 years ago and is still a warning now.

Many have heard that Jesus loves us and died for us. Not as many have heard that we need to repent and turn from our sinful ways. My warning was to say that we need to prepare for what we haven't heard to this point. The good news is we'll spend eternity with God if we commit our lives to Jesus. We have to trust him in these perilous times. We can't overcome Satan and his wicked schemes without standing on the blood of Jesus. Earlier in tis thread, I said you better be able to call on the name of Jesus when you see these zombie, Nephilim, part human, demon and/or mixed with animal creatures coming our way. People have had dreams and/or visions where you can hardly kill them.

What are you basing this on? I’d ask anyone to comment if that’s what is being preached and/or talked about in their church.

I see many times in many places what’s being preached in churches, but it’s never at their churches, just what they’ve heard.


I’ll report back later today with my church.

[lonny23]

Except yours and the guys you listen to. Checks out.

The UN was established in 1945. Not even 100 years old.

The key to deception is people don't realize they're being deceived. Half the time I think you're a deceiver and the other half I think you're just being deceived.

The denominations were around before the UN. They are in global ecumenical groups with ties to the UN. Many things that are designed to start for good turn to evil.

We should never forget that Satan was able to make a couple people living in a perfect society to sin. Satan is great at deception.

[lonny23]

What are you basing this on? I’d ask anyone to comment if that’s what is being preached and/or talked about in their church.

I see many times in many places what’s being preached in churches, but it’s never at their churches, just what they’ve heard.


I’ll report back later today with my church.

The true good news is the complete teachings of Jesus and how he wants to work in our lives.

I was speaking about perceived good news. The good news is perceived to be in many cases:

Don't say people will go to hell.
Don't say sin is sin.
Don't teach on things that upset people.
Make sure you keep peace with others. You have to love them.
Tell people what they want to hear.
Teach a gospel that promotes how God will bless us on earth.
They'll say Jesus loves us, but they don't always say we need to repent of our sins.

These things I said above are all common teachings in church and on TV.