No reason for Texas teams to travel out of state

[jbell73986]

It varies from district to district. Take SLC for example. I'm sure a lot of those funds were privately raised or through the booster club. NS doesn't have a booster club so getting from Texas to Florida or California would be a lot more challenging.

Not only that but for the bigger more fan heavy programs, there is a loss of revenue going on the road. That’s a potential home game they’re giving up.

[pied]

It varies from district to district. Take SLC for example. I'm sure a lot of those funds were privately raised or through the booster club. NS doesn't have a booster club so getting from Texas to Florida or California would be a lot more challenging.

Well the North Shore Band is at Disney in Florida right now. 🤷🏼♂️

https://www.nsshband.com

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Well the North Shore Band is at Disney in Florida right now. 🤷🏼♂️



https://www.nsshband.com

That was a sponsored trip. They have a booster club for the band and fine arts department but not one for football or basketball. Kind of weird actually but I remember them saying the logic was that the football/basketball teams could use funds earned from admission to games

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Not only that but for the bigger more fan heavy programs, there is a loss of revenue going on the road. That’s a potential home game they’re giving up.

🎯🎯🎯

[Matt.Stepp]

I would not take that bet and would 100% agree with you.

The point is, many say there is no reason to go out of state to play football. Nothing to prove, too much money, etc.

Southlake Carroll isn't the only one, just the one that popped in my Twitter feed.

They are ok with funding and sending the baseball team to California (who was focused enough to win the state title that year), a ~30 member Lacrosse team to CA for competition and they lose to metroplex teams, and ~180+ members of the band to Florida.

My ultimate point is that travelling out of state, CLEARLY is seen as beneficial to students and saying teams don't travel because of competition or lack of funds seems silly to me.

Heck DeSoto travelled to Oregon to play, and then played a crazy team from Maryland in FW and won a state title this year.


Seems like we need to come up with new reasons for not playing in out of state games.

DeSoto's trip to Oregon was 100% covered by Nike

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DeSoto's trip to Oregon was 100% covered by Nike

Yep, and it 100% did not prevent them from winning a state title.

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Not only that but for the bigger more fan heavy programs, there is a loss of revenue going on the road. That’s a potential home game they’re giving up.

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They'd certainly lose some revenue, but not sure they're breaking the bank based on some of the regular season attendances based on these videos. Home district game (CE King) with the visitor side ~25-30% full including the band and drill team which aren't paying. Guessing the home side was pretty full though.

[jbell73986]

They'd certainly lose some revenue, but not sure they're breaking the bank based on some of the regular season attendances based on these videos. Home district game (CE King) with the visitor side ~25-30% full including the band and drill team which aren't paying. Guessing the home side was pretty full though.

But I said the bigger, more populated fan bases would lose revenue.those are the schools likely to travel OOS anyways. No one’s interested in CE king going out of state

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But I said the bigger, more populated fan bases would lose revenue.those are the schools likely to travel OOS anyways. No one’s interested in CE king going out of state

This was a home game for NS so they get the revenue, correct? Point is, I acknowledge that giving up a home game for a road game, you automatically are at a deficit, I'm suggesting they aren't minting money at the ticket office.


Hard to imagine an out of state team bringing fewer fans than local district opponent Beaumont Westbrook.

[jbell73986]

This was a home game for NS so they get the revenue, correct? Point is, I acknowledge that giving up a home game for a road game, you automatically are at a deficit, I'm suggesting they aren't minting money at the ticket office.


Hard to imagine an out of state team bringing fewer fans than local district opponent Beaumont Westbrook.

They have gate receipts, concessions. Even with small crowds schools can pocket something. Many schools rely of football to cash flow other sports. I can see why some districts say “no” to the expense of traveling OOS.

when Hoover traveled to Allen in ‘15 they said it cost them $100k to travel. That’s insane and is not a great use of funds imo.

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They have gate receipts, concessions. Even with small crowds schools can pocket something. Many schools rely of football to cash flow other sports. I can see why some districts say “no” to the expense of traveling OOS.

when Hoover traveled to Allen in ‘15 they said it cost them $100k to travel. That’s insane and is not a great use of funds imo.

It is certainly expensive but it's also expensive for the North Shore band who is literally in Florida now, same school/same community/same district.

I'm not saying that it's not expensive, but that being the reason doesn't ring true when schools and parents are taking trips for Band and Baseball and Basketball and Lacrosse and Dance/Drill Team and pretty much every other activity. If it's a worthwhile endeavor and not financially out of range for many other activities, why would is football dramatically different?

[jbell73986]

It is certainly expensive but it's also expensive for the North Shore band who is literally in Florida now, same school/same community/same district.

I'm not saying that it's not expensive, but that being the reason doesn't ring true when schools and parents are taking trips for Band and Baseball and Basketball and Lacrosse and Dance/Drill Team and pretty much every other activity. If it's a worthwhile endeavor and not financially out of range for many other activities, why would is football dramatically different?

I hear ya, I just think there’s more to consider with football. The cost of travel, lost revenue (that other school programs sometimes depend on).

[fullspeed]

Yep, and it 100% did not prevent them from winning a state title.

After watching parts of their 1st 2 games I was wondering if they would make the playoffs. Then the next time I saw them was against Duncanville and thought they wouldn't go very far in the playoffs. So the games evidently helped them. I'm in the camp play whoever you want in non-district. Do what's best for your team.

Edit: i am against the ESPN announcers though😁
(They do a great job of making a team sport an individual one)

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It is certainly expensive but it's also expensive for the North Shore band who is literally in Florida now, same school/same community/same district.

I'm not saying that it's not expensive, but that being the reason doesn't ring true when schools and parents are taking trips for Band and Baseball and Basketball and Lacrosse and Dance/Drill Team and pretty much every other activity. If it's a worthwhile endeavor and not financially out of range for many other activities, why would is football dramatically different?

The home side is always packed and a lot of people who live in C.E King or go to school there are originally from North Shore, so they tend to migrate to the NS side of the stands and fellowship with the Mustangs. During the spring football game I saw just as many kids/fans from C.E King there as I did North Shore kids and parents.


Band=Booster Club+Donations (see Canes logo attached to pic)
Football= Ticket Sales split with other sports

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The home side is always packed and a lot of people who live in C.E King or go to school there are originally from North Shore, so they tend to migrate to the NS side of the stands and fellowship with the Mustangs. During the spring football game I saw just as many kids/fans from C.E King there as I did North Shore kids and parents.


Band=Booster Club+Donations (see Canes logo attached to pic)
Football= Ticket Sales split with other sports

So we don't get sidetracked, I want to be clear with what I'm saying and then we can go back to the sidetrack excuses.



I have NO doubt that if North Shore wanted to play a game in CA or FL or wherever that cost would not be the reason to prevent it. I say that with confidence because more members of a school organization are on a trip to Florida this week than would travel for the football team. CLEARLY there is an appetite for student travel at the school and in the community AND the ability to fund it. That is a simple fact.



Now to the side discussions.

Ok, so now you're going to tell me that Cane's is a sponsor and helps fund the Band. Fair point, but I would ask who has more name recognition, fan support, and ability to draw sponsors, the band program or the football team?

If Willie Gaston were to call the manager at the local Cane's, what are the chances they'd like to sponsor the football team as well? Or anyone else in the community.

You talk about the home side being packed. If Coach Gaston said ~"Hey community we're trying to take the kids on a trip of a lifetime to California but need to raise funds at a spaghetti dinner and car wash and would love the community's support." is there a chance those don't make money?

This isn't rocket surgery. The community does this for an activity that can't draw 1% of the crowd to their practice sessions that the football team brings to their Spring football game and pre-season scrimmages, and I say that as a band guy.

They may not WANT to do it for a variety of reasons, but they certainly CAN do it.